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1 week 5 days ago #7088
by Simomax
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That's interesting. All of my testing was done with an SBM-20 also, but I wasn't getting the same counts you are. I'll try and arrange the stickers as you have and see what happens.
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1 week 5 days ago #7090
by Simomax
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1 week 5 days ago #7091
by Simomax
I don't think this is quackery. I think this is just a pure scam. I also don't know why they are putting Thorium inside these stickers, bracelets, pendants etc. Is it quackery, or is it a method of disposing of a waste product? I'm really not sure. Are the people making these things buying the Thorium (dioxide?) to put into them, or are they get it for free as is a waste product. There appears to be little quality control as some stickers or objects can be up to twice the counts as another of the same, so the amounts going in do vary somewhat. Are they intended with malice, or some honest mistake? I don't even like to think about the people that have bought these and have no clue they are radioactive.... The thought of babies chewing on them and stuff like that fills me with dread.
Replied by Simomax on topic Latest (and last) Round Of Negative Ion Scalar Energy Ju-Ju - Moar stickers!
I posted some Youtube videos on my first post about this stuff, here . That may be where you saw it.Its amazing that radiation quackery is still a thing today, although it appears that the sellers dont always advertise this fact, but rather rebrand it as "quantum energy" or something along those lines.
I remember seeing a youtube video a while back reviewing one of these products, from memory it was a wristband and was highly radioactive, not the sort of thing you would want to go to bed wearing!
I don't think this is quackery. I think this is just a pure scam. I also don't know why they are putting Thorium inside these stickers, bracelets, pendants etc. Is it quackery, or is it a method of disposing of a waste product? I'm really not sure. Are the people making these things buying the Thorium (dioxide?) to put into them, or are they get it for free as is a waste product. There appears to be little quality control as some stickers or objects can be up to twice the counts as another of the same, so the amounts going in do vary somewhat. Are they intended with malice, or some honest mistake? I don't even like to think about the people that have bought these and have no clue they are radioactive.... The thought of babies chewing on them and stuff like that fills me with dread.
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1 week 5 days ago #7092
by nzoomed
It could be a bit of both, but thorium typically is not a waste product i didnt think? Have you done any readings with a gamma spectrometer by any chance?
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This was the video here from the thought emporium.
I posted some Youtube videos on my first post about this stuff, here . That may be where you saw it.Its amazing that radiation quackery is still a thing today, although it appears that the sellers dont always advertise this fact, but rather rebrand it as "quantum energy" or something along those lines.
I remember seeing a youtube video a while back reviewing one of these products, from memory it was a wristband and was highly radioactive, not the sort of thing you would want to go to bed wearing!
I don't think this is quackery. I think this is just a pure scam. I also don't know why they are putting Thorium inside these stickers, bracelets, pendants etc. Is it quackery, or is it a method of disposing of a waste product? I'm really not sure. Are the people making these things buying the Thorium (dioxide?) to put into them, or are they get it for free as is a waste product. There appears to be little quality control as some stickers or objects can be up to twice the counts as another of the same, so the amounts going in do vary somewhat. Are they intended with malice, or some honest mistake? I don't even like to think about the people that have bought these and have no clue they are radioactive.... The thought of babies chewing on them and stuff like that fills me with dread.
It could be a bit of both, but thorium typically is not a waste product i didnt think? Have you done any readings with a gamma spectrometer by any chance?
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1 week 4 days ago - 1 week 4 days ago #7094
by Simomax
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I only have a Radiacode 101, which whilst it does something, I don't consider this to be a proper Gamma spectrometer. It does give an idea though.
Have a look through this post here
, where I pulled some beige/light brown powder from a negative ion wand thing. At the bottom of that page is a spectrum that I got some time back. I ran the same test with the same powder over last night, so got about 18 hours or so on the Radiacode. The lin and log spectrums are below and I have attached the CSV and XML if anyone is interested.
It is a multitude of reasons I suspect this is Thorium dioxide. Mainly much reading on the internet and watching videos. The video you posted was one that I posted on my very first post about this Ju-Ju stuff and the presenter does a fair job of identifying the products as having Thorium in them. You can buy this stuff by the barrel load from Alibaba and other places. A simple search for 'Thorium dioxide for sale' reveals many sources , of which most seem to be in China. The powder I extracted wasn't pure white, so is most certainly not pure and probably contaminated with something. It may be a simple bulking agent so they don't have to use as much Thorium dioxide. It could also be Thorium Oxide, but my understanding is Thorium dioxide is much more available than Thorium oxide, and I think much cheaper too. Looking at the wikipedia page for Thorium dioxide it states 'it is mainly a by-product of lanthanide and uranium production.' This is what I was referring to when I said it was a waste product. Maybe not waste per se, and probably a bad choice of words on my part. I just noticed then in a google search the question 'How much is Thorium' and clicking the question gave this answer: 'Exports of unspecified thorium compounds were 63,200 kilograms through August 2023 with average unit values ranging from $29 per kilogram to $74 per kilogram and averaged $69 per kilogram.' That seems very cheap, especially if it can be diluted down in the resins or bulked with an agent. The ones I have seen for sale have usually been a white powder, and has usually been marked as 99% pure.
I took the (what I think is) Thorium dioxide powder from the Radiacode and have replaced it with a Thorium gas lamp mantle, which if the powder is Thorium the Gamma spectrum should be more-or-less the same. I'll leave this on overnight and see what it yields tomorrow.
And for full disclosure, I don't have a testing chamber, this is just literally plonked on a desk and left alone for some hours. So it is certainly getting some external counts. That said, generally the longer it is left (and the hotter the source), the better the spectrum. Will have to see what tomorrow shows, but looking at the spectrum (of the Thorium gas mantle) after just 30 minutes, it is showing a very similar spectrum.
It is a multitude of reasons I suspect this is Thorium dioxide. Mainly much reading on the internet and watching videos. The video you posted was one that I posted on my very first post about this Ju-Ju stuff and the presenter does a fair job of identifying the products as having Thorium in them. You can buy this stuff by the barrel load from Alibaba and other places. A simple search for 'Thorium dioxide for sale' reveals many sources , of which most seem to be in China. The powder I extracted wasn't pure white, so is most certainly not pure and probably contaminated with something. It may be a simple bulking agent so they don't have to use as much Thorium dioxide. It could also be Thorium Oxide, but my understanding is Thorium dioxide is much more available than Thorium oxide, and I think much cheaper too. Looking at the wikipedia page for Thorium dioxide it states 'it is mainly a by-product of lanthanide and uranium production.' This is what I was referring to when I said it was a waste product. Maybe not waste per se, and probably a bad choice of words on my part. I just noticed then in a google search the question 'How much is Thorium' and clicking the question gave this answer: 'Exports of unspecified thorium compounds were 63,200 kilograms through August 2023 with average unit values ranging from $29 per kilogram to $74 per kilogram and averaged $69 per kilogram.' That seems very cheap, especially if it can be diluted down in the resins or bulked with an agent. The ones I have seen for sale have usually been a white powder, and has usually been marked as 99% pure.
I took the (what I think is) Thorium dioxide powder from the Radiacode and have replaced it with a Thorium gas lamp mantle, which if the powder is Thorium the Gamma spectrum should be more-or-less the same. I'll leave this on overnight and see what it yields tomorrow.
And for full disclosure, I don't have a testing chamber, this is just literally plonked on a desk and left alone for some hours. So it is certainly getting some external counts. That said, generally the longer it is left (and the hotter the source), the better the spectrum. Will have to see what tomorrow shows, but looking at the spectrum (of the Thorium gas mantle) after just 30 minutes, it is showing a very similar spectrum.
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1 week 3 days ago - 1 week 3 days ago #7097
by nzoomed
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Very high chance its Thorium dixiode, but as you say could very well be diluted down, which the readings on a Geiger counter should give you a rough idea on the concentration, I would expect a very high CPM if its pure.
I wonder how tightly regulated the sale and purchase of this stuff is?
Thorium 232 is not a fissile fuel, but how dangerous would it become if someone was able to introduce a neutron source, i.e some terrorist group?
Im surprised how readily available it is off the likes of alibaba, etc.
I wonder how tightly regulated the sale and purchase of this stuff is?
Thorium 232 is not a fissile fuel, but how dangerous would it become if someone was able to introduce a neutron source, i.e some terrorist group?
Im surprised how readily available it is off the likes of alibaba, etc.
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