Base level - radiation or electronics?
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7 years 4 months ago #3524
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Hi. Looking at my own readings from a GC10 counter, and looking at everybody else's online, I notice that most of us have CPM rates near 20 or 30. Does anyone know if that is all counts from radiation of some sort, or if there is a sort of 'base level' that is there simply because of the electronics? Could I in theory put the counter inside a room with 10km thick lead walls and the readings would drop to zero?
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7 years 4 months ago #3532
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The average background count is made up of a combination of spontaneous tube discharges (a low number) plus normal radiation sources in your location (result of cosmic ray hits and presence of radioactive substances which vary a lot from area to area). So you will never see a zero reading but of course you can eliminate several of those sources with better shielding.
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7 years 4 months ago #3533
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Thanks a lot for the reply! Do you have a reference to what number of counts I should expect that are not due to radiation, for the GC10 machine?
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7 years 4 months ago #3534
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Not sure what tube is in that - is it 4011?
Anyway, by example, the data provided by GM for the 4011 in my GMC-300Eplus looks like this:
Both beta and gamma radiation detetion.
Working Voltage: 380-450V
Working Current: 0,015-0,02 mA
Sensivity to Gamma Radiation: 0.1 MeV
Own Background: 0,2 Pulses/s
Working Temperature Range: -50 +60 ะก
Length: 88mm
Diameter: 10mm
So 0.2 Pulses/sec would equate to 12 CPM (seems high?), but you also have to account for the electronics of the detector itself and not all pulses will be counted/reported.
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Anyway, by example, the data provided by GM for the 4011 in my GMC-300Eplus looks like this:
Both beta and gamma radiation detetion.
Working Voltage: 380-450V
Working Current: 0,015-0,02 mA
Sensivity to Gamma Radiation: 0.1 MeV
Own Background: 0,2 Pulses/s
Working Temperature Range: -50 +60 ะก
Length: 88mm
Diameter: 10mm
So 0.2 Pulses/sec would equate to 12 CPM (seems high?), but you also have to account for the electronics of the detector itself and not all pulses will be counted/reported.
ChrisH
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7 years 4 months ago #3535
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OK, looked it up and the GC10 is commonly fitted with an SBM-20 which has different characteristics:
Minimum Anode Resistor (meg ohm) 1.0
Recommended Anode Resistor (meg ohm) circuit diagram 5.1
Recommended Operating Voltage (volts) 400
Operating Voltage Range (volts) 350 - 475
Initial voltage (volts) 260 - 320
Plateau length (volts) at least 100
Maximum Plateau Slope (%/100 volts) 10
Minimum Dead Time (at U=400V, micro sec) 190
Working range (mkR/s) 0.004 - 40
Working range (mR/h) 0.014 - 144
Gamma Sensitivity Ra226 (cps/mR/hr) 29
Gamma Sensitivity Co60 (cps/mR/hr) 22
Inherent counter background (cps) 1
Tube Capacitance (pf) 4.2
Life (pulses) at least 2*1010
Weight (grams) 10 / 9
Which suggests the inherent background is 1 cps (or 60 CPM) which again, seems high but the counter itself is not going to detect every single pulse.
Minimum Anode Resistor (meg ohm) 1.0
Recommended Anode Resistor (meg ohm) circuit diagram 5.1
Recommended Operating Voltage (volts) 400
Operating Voltage Range (volts) 350 - 475
Initial voltage (volts) 260 - 320
Plateau length (volts) at least 100
Maximum Plateau Slope (%/100 volts) 10
Minimum Dead Time (at U=400V, micro sec) 190
Working range (mkR/s) 0.004 - 40
Working range (mR/h) 0.014 - 144
Gamma Sensitivity Ra226 (cps/mR/hr) 29
Gamma Sensitivity Co60 (cps/mR/hr) 22
Inherent counter background (cps) 1
Tube Capacitance (pf) 4.2
Life (pulses) at least 2*1010
Weight (grams) 10 / 9
Which suggests the inherent background is 1 cps (or 60 CPM) which again, seems high but the counter itself is not going to detect every single pulse.
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